{"id":4062,"date":"2013-06-13T18:02:26","date_gmt":"2013-06-13T22:02:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/?p=4062"},"modified":"2013-06-13T18:05:30","modified_gmt":"2013-06-13T22:05:30","slug":"youre-losing-the-democratic-process-gary-wright-lcc-2013-06-11","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/2013\/06\/youre-losing-the-democratic-process-gary-wright-lcc-2013-06-11.html","title":{"rendered":"You&#8217;re losing the democratic process &#8211;Gary Wright @ LCC 2013-06-11"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=RzxD37GTDDw&#038;list=PLshUv86fYkiHg3-rvFii2BEsUo7fsZ2BL&#038;index=14\"><br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" style=\"float:right;border:none;\" src=\"https:\/\/i3.ytimg.com\/vi\/RzxD37GTDDw\/default.jpg\"><\/a><br \/>\n&#8220;I hope you&#8217;ll consider a democratic process working into your rules,&#8221;<br \/>\nremarked a military veteran at<br \/>\nTuesday night&#8217;s<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/2013\/06\/videos-mostly-trash-plus-3-appointments-1-rezoning-2-wastewater-lcc-2013-06-11.html\"><br \/>\nLowndes County Commission Regular Session<\/a>.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nAfter saying he was also concerned about how Deep South Sanitation<br \/>\nis being treated,<br \/>\nGary Wright said:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/98706376@N00\/9037706068\/sizes\/m\/\" title=\"Gary Wright\"><br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" style=\"float:right;border:none;\" src=\"http:\/\/farm6.staticflickr.com\/5348\/9037706068_5edd0cd6de.jpg\" alt=\"Gary Wright\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p>There is a little bit of a lack of democratic process in your meeting<br \/>\ngroundrules.<br \/>\nOn your website I don&#8217;t know anything in there that said<br \/>\nyou have only thirty minute meetings for the entire thing.<br \/>\nI don&#8217;t know if this happens whenever you have a meeting<br \/>\nthat&#8217;s only thirty minutes long; I&#8217;ve never been to one.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>\nTheir rules<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/2013\/06\/a-few-citizens-to-be-heard-for-a-few-minutes-only-lcc-2013-06-11.html\"><br \/>\ndon&#8217;t say that<\/a>,<br \/>\nbut it&#8217;s not surprising there is confusion, given<!--more--> how hard they are to find,<br \/>\nand that the Chairman apparently made up a rule about 15 minutes total<br \/>\nfor Citizens Wishing to be Heard that also isn&#8217;t in their relevant ordinance.\n<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>\nBut on top that you should allow some sort of response dialog<br \/>\nwith the citizens, even if it&#8217;s<br \/>\nshort and it&#8217;s brief as long as it&#8217;s<br \/>\ncourtesy that prevails.<br \/>\nOr some promise of some sort of reply because<br \/>\nif you&#8217;re losing the democratic process<br \/>\nyou can&#8217;t get the public to support you to vote for you&#8230;<br \/>\nand expect to have a dialog at some level.<\/p>\n<p>\nSo I hope you&#8217;ll consider a democratic process working into your rules.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>\nThe crowd applauded.<\/p>\n<p>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/2013\/03\/leon-county-florida-trouble-ticket-system.html\"><br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" style=\"float:right;border:none;\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/images\/6a0120a58214e4970b017ee9455c2b970d-pi.jpg\"><\/a><br \/>\nLeon County, Florida has an<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/2013\/03\/leon-county-florida-trouble-ticket-system.html\"><br \/>\nonline issue tracking system<\/a> so citizens don&#8217;t even have to come<br \/>\nto a Commission meeting to make a request, and they can follow what<br \/>\nhappened to their request.<br \/>\nDunwoody, Georgia (smaller than Valdosta) has<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/seeclickfix.com\/dunwoody_ga\"><br \/>\na similar system<\/a>.<br \/>\nThis is not rocket science.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nBut you are in Lowndes County, Georgia, where the Chairman<br \/>\nexplained to Wright after the meeting that he didn&#8217;t want Commissioners<br \/>\nor staff answering because that might start a dialog which might not<br \/>\nbe orderly.<br \/>\nInstead, he had all the CTBH forms<br \/>\nand all the Commissioners could see them and respond if they wanted to.<br \/>\nHe did not say any of them are required to respond, because they aren&#8217;t.<br \/>\nHe did say there&#8217;s only one door out of the room, and he, the Chairman<br \/>\nalways walks out past all the people still there.<br \/>\nI pointed out the other door to the Executive Session room,<br \/>\nand he did acknowledge he goes through that one when there is<br \/>\nan Executive Session.<\/p>\n<p>\nI didn&#8217;t ask him if he recalled<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/2013\/05\/videos-paving-and-suing-lcc-2013-05-14.html#Executive%20Session\"><br \/>\nhe went into an executive session 14 May 2013<\/a><br \/>\nand didn&#8217;t come out for so long that<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/2013\/05\/why-cant-we-choose-our-trash-pickup-service-tom-hallman-lcc-2013-05-14.html\"><br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" style=\"float:right;border:none;\" src=\"https:\/\/i2.ytimg.com\/vi\/ai-MZE2rqGg\/default.jpg\"><\/a><br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/2013\/05\/why-cant-we-choose-our-trash-pickup-service-tom-hallman-lcc-2013-05-14.html\"><br \/>\nTom Hallman, to whom the Chairman had promised an answer<\/a>,<br \/>\nleft the building.<br \/>\nWhen I asked him for an answer to a related question in that same meeting,<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/2013\/05\/fiscal-responsibility-and-legal-actions-john-s-quarterman-lcc-2013-05-14.html\"><br \/>\nhis response was<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\nAt this time we can&#8217;t discuss that issue.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/2013\/06\/what-if-we-only-had-one-hardware-store-duane-roark-lcc-2013-06-11.html\"><br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" style=\"float:right;border:none;width:293px;\" src=\"http:\/\/www.atlantatimemachine.com\/images\/ludowici_billboard.jpg\"><\/a><br \/>\nIn Lowndes County apparently order is more important than democratic process.<br \/>\nWhy any chairman couldn&#8217;t stick to 5 minute speaker limits and have orderly<br \/>\nquestion and response, referring to someone specific for a later response<br \/>\nwhen needed, is a mystery to me.<br \/>\nI&#8217;ve seen it done by many a council and commission,<br \/>\nand I&#8217;ve never seen any other that limits citizen speakers to 15 minutes.<\/p>\n<p>\nBut you are in Lowndes County!<\/p>\n<p>\nHere&#8217;s<br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=RzxD37GTDDw&#038;list=PLshUv86fYkiHg3-rvFii2BEsUo7fsZ2BL&#038;index=14\"><br \/>\nthe video:<\/a>\n<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align:center;font-size:80%\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/RzxD37GTDDw\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><br \/>\n<br \/>\nYou&#8217;re losing the democratic process &#8211;Gary Wright<br \/>\n<br \/>\nRegular Session, Lowndes County Commission (LCC),<br \/>\n<br \/>\nVideo by Gretchen Quarterman for Lowndes Area Knowledge Exchange (LAKE),<br \/>\nValdosta, Lowndes County, Georgia, 11 June 2013.\n<\/p>\n<p>\n -jsq<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&#8220;I hope you&#8217;ll consider a democratic process working into your rules,&#8221; remarked a military veteran at Tuesday night&#8217;s Lowndes County Commission Regular Session. After saying he was also concerned about how Deep South Sanitation is being treated, Gary Wright said: There is a little bit of a lack of democratic process in your meeting groundrules. 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