{"id":18717,"date":"2017-06-29T15:35:35","date_gmt":"2017-06-29T19:35:35","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/?p=18717"},"modified":"2017-06-29T15:47:06","modified_gmt":"2017-06-29T19:47:06","slug":"video-solar-panels-heck-yeah-tom-fanning-ceo-at-so-stockholder-meeting-2017-05-24","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/2017\/06\/video-solar-panels-heck-yeah-tom-fanning-ceo-at-so-stockholder-meeting-2017-05-24.html","title":{"rendered":"Video: Solar panels, heck yeah! &#8211;Tom Fanning, CEO, at SO stockholder meeting 2017-05-24"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>\r\nTom Fanning, our genial CEO host,\r\nsaid some things I&#8217;ve never heard him say before like\r\nSouthern Company is\r\n<a href=\"#wind-pivot\">&#8220;pivoting towards wind&#8221;<\/a>\r\nand SO&#8217;s board soon has to decide whether to go forward with Plant Vogtle\r\n<a href=\"#or-not\">&#8220;or not&#8221;<\/a> probably <a href=\"#evaluate\">by August<\/a>.\r\nFanning gets the\r\n<a href=\"#yeah\">\r\nfirst<\/a> and \r\n<a href=\"#wrapup\">\r\nlast<\/a> word in this blog post,\r\nplus a complete transcript of what\r\n<a href=\"#jsq\">I asked<\/a> and <a href=\"#fanning-to-jsq\">\r\nTom Fanning&#8217;s response<\/a>,\r\nalong with summaries of the other questions and answers.\r\n<p style=\"text-align:center;font-size:80%\">\r\n<a title=\"Well see how it develops --Tom Fanning\" href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/?attachment_id=18597\">\r\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none\" width=\"600\" height=\"335\" alt=\"Well see how it develops --Tom Fanning\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/0170af3b6169b85150f986197ea9ec2b.jpg\"><\/a>\r\n<br>\r\n<a href=\"#develops\">\r\nPlease hear me!<\/a>\r\nI think renewables are exceedingly important in the future.\r\n<br>\r\n&mdash; Tom Fanning, CEO, Southern Company\r\n<\/p>\r\n<p>\r\nIn SO&#8217;s own\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/players.brightcove.net\/18122129001\/default_default\/index.html?videoId=5449981723001\">\r\nmeeting video<\/a>\r\nof the\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/2017\/03\/southern-company-shareholder-meeting-renewables-more-than-doubled-in-one-year-2017-05-24.html\">\r\n25 May 2017 Stockholder Meeting<\/a>,\r\nyou can see\r\nmuch praise about solar power and wind and R&amp;D and a smart grid,\r\nalong with stockholders wondering:<!--more-->\r\n\r\n\r\n<ul>\r\n<li>\r\nwhat SO was going to do about <a href=\"#booher\">climate change<\/a>\r\nand\r\n<a href=\"#governance\">corporate governance for rhetoric<\/a>,\r\n<li>\r\nwhy\r\n<a href=\"#godfrey\">a stockholder couldn&#8217;t transfer her AGL stock<\/a>,\r\n<li>\r\nwhat about\r\n<a href=\"#IT\">cybersecurity countermeasures<\/a>.\r\n<li>\r\nwhat about a\r\n<a href=\"#carbon-tax\">carbon tax<\/a>,\r\n<li>\r\nwhat will happen to\r\n<a href=\"#alexander\">\r\nLake Sinclair without its coal plant<\/a>,\r\n<li>\r\nwhether\r\n<a href=\"#eggs\">\r\nall our eggs in the natural gas basket is a bad idea<\/a>,\r\n<li>\r\nwhat about\r\n<a href=\"#Yucca\">\r\nmoney collected for Yucca Mountain, how much Plant Vogtle attorneys are costing, and will it be finished on time<\/a>,\r\n<li>\r\nwhether\r\n<a href=\"#dead-horse\">\r\nnuclear is a dead horse<\/a>,\r\n<li>\r\nand whether\r\n<a href=\"#winning-horse\">\r\nsolar and wind power is the winning horse<\/a>\r\n<\/ul>\r\n<H4><a name=\"yeah\" href=\"#yeah\">Solar panels, heck yeah! &mdash;Tom Fanning<\/a><\/H4>\r\n<p>\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/players.brightcove.net\/18122129001\/default_default\/index.html?videoId=5449981723001&#038;t=35s\">\r\n&#8220;Oh, solar panels! Oh, heck yeah!&#8221;<\/a>,\r\n<p style=\"text-align:center;font-size:80%\">\r\n<a title=\"Oh, Solar Panels! Oh, heck yeah! --Tom Fanning\" href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/?attachment_id=18720\">\r\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none\" id=\"18722\" width=\"600\" height=\"542\" alt=\"Oh, Solar Panels! Oh, heck yeah! --Tom Fanning\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/be1704b794d5beb60ed8ce9df16d138c.jpg\"><\/a>\r\n<\/p>\r\n<p>\r\nThis was in response to\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/players.brightcove.net\/18122129001\/default_default\/index.html?videoId=5449981723001&#038;t=9s\">\r\nthe first question<\/a>,\r\nabout solar panels at Warner Robins Air Force Base,\r\nfrom Richard Alexander of Perry, Georgia.\r\n<p style=\"text-align:center;font-size:80%\">\r\n<a title=\"Warner Robins AFB solar --Richard Alexander\" href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/?attachment_id=18524\">\r\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none\" id=\"18524\" width=\"600\" height=\"398\" alt=\"Warner Robins AFB solar --Richard Alexander\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/633f9ce27da28fc1863c99df2d5201c7.jpg\"><\/a>\r\n<\/p>\r\n<p>\r\nFanning expanded on that saying Southern Company has the biggest relationship\r\nof any company with the U.S. military about renewable energy.\r\n<H4><a name=\"booher\" href=\"#booher\">Climate change? &mdash;Sam Booher<\/a><\/H4>\r\n<p>\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/players.brightcove.net\/18122129001\/default_default\/index.html?videoId=5449981723001&#038;t=1m45s\">\r\nSam Booher<\/a>, with 3,283 shares, all for the benefit of his wife, asked:\r\n<blockquote style=\"font-size:100%\">\r\n<p>\r\nThe world&#8217;s climate is changing, and it&#8217;s not getting better for anyone.\r\nSouthern Company has a real opportunity to shape the federal climate policy\r\nthat works with our business strategy.\r\nWith the progress Southern has made in solar, and in the future wind\r\nenergy, we have a voice with the other electrical power producers\r\nthat carries significant weight.\r\n<p style=\"text-align:center;font-size:80%\">\r\n<a title=\"Climate change --Sam Booher\" href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/?attachment_id=18530\">\r\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none\" id=\"18530\" width=\"600\" height=\"574\" alt=\"Climate change --Sam Booher\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/cd9915e58274983cd9ca17296abf4313.jpg\"><\/a>\r\n<\/p>\r\n<p>\r\nI would like to see Southern Company organize the collective voices\r\nof all of our electrical power producers to support the existing Paris agreement\r\nto fight climate change.\r\n<p>\r\nIn the Paris agreement, companies like ExxonMobil, Dow Company, and other\r\nmajor corporations have already come out publicly in support of upholding the Paris agreement.\r\nWe need to be on that list.\r\n<\/blockquote>\r\n<p style=\"text-align:center;font-size:80%\">\r\n<a title=\"Tom Fanning and Sam Booher\" href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/?attachment_id=18531\">\r\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none\" id=\"18533\" width=\"600\" height=\"165\" alt=\"Tom Fanning and Sam Booher\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/0be24ede263e2a0c389763ebe477b966.jpg\"><\/a>\r\n<\/p>\r\n<p>\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/players.brightcove.net\/18122129001\/default_default\/index.html?videoId=5449981723001&#038;t=2m57s\">\r\nTom Fanning responded<\/a> that Southern Company avoided rhetoric in preference\r\nfor real solutions.\r\nUnfortunately the &#8220;solutions&#8221; he named first were &#8220;clean coal&#8221; and nuclear.\r\nHe did get around to mentioning renewables and Southern Company&#8217;s\r\nbiggest private utility R&amp;D operation, plus longleaf pines for natural\r\nCO2 capture.\r\n<p>\r\nBy the way, SO hasn&#8217;t historically avoided rhetoric; they were caught\r\nlast year funding ALEC climate change denial rhetoric.\r\n<H4><a name=\"governance\" href=\"#governance\">Corporate governance for rhetoric?<\/a><\/H4>\r\n<p>\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/players.brightcove.net\/18122129001\/default_default\/index.html?videoId=5449981723001&#038;t=5m\">\r\nAn unknown speaker (they didn&#8217;t turn on the mic until after he said his name)<\/a>\r\nasked what was the corporate governance for ensuring that any SO rhetoric\r\nmatches corporate positions.\r\n<p style=\"text-align:center;font-size:80%\">\r\n<a title=\"Governance to match rhetoric with corporate policy?\" href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/?attachment_id=18534\">\r\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none\" id=\"18536\" width=\"600\" height=\"532\" alt=\"Governance to match rhetoric with corporate policy?\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/81da24da99bf3e392fc9eba9e1fb041c.jpg\"><\/a>\r\n<\/p>\r\n<p>\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/players.brightcove.net\/18122129001\/default_default\/index.html?videoId=5449981723001&#038;t=5m45s\">\r\nTom Fanning responded<\/a> saying that Chris Womack was in charge of\r\nreports to the board about that.\r\nFanning continued about clean, safe, reliable power.\r\n<H4><a name=\"eggs\" href=\"#eggs\">All our eggs in the natural gas basket? &mdash;Charles Ray<\/a><\/H4>\r\n<p>\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/players.brightcove.net\/18122129001\/default_default\/index.html?videoId=5449981723001&#038;t=7m8s\">\r\nCharles Ray from Port St Lucie with 2,264 shares<\/a>\r\nnoted that his county is home to two nuclear power plants,\r\nwhich he considers safe and reliable (although very old now),\r\nand he questioned putting all our eggs in the natural gas basket.\r\n<p style=\"text-align:center;font-size:80%\">\r\n<a title=\"All our eggs in the natural gas basket? --Charles Ray\" href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/?attachment_id=18537\">\r\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none\" id=\"18539\" width=\"600\" height=\"541\" alt=\"All our eggs in the natural gas basket? --Charles Ray\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/3888664fcb616e62d27b63a13577dc95.jpg\"><\/a>\r\n<\/p>\r\n<p>\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/players.brightcove.net\/18122129001\/default_default\/index.html?videoId=5449981723001&#038;t=8m9s\">\r\nTom Fanning responded comparing a stock portfolio to SO&#8217;s energy portfolio<\/a>,\r\n&#8220;some stocks like Southern that have low beta, low risk&#8221; balanced with\r\n&#8220;some crazy stuff&#8221; with high beta.\r\nWell, that&#8217;s been my point for five years now:\r\nKemper Coal and the Vogtle nukes are crazy stuff, and too much of it.\r\nHe did point out nuclear is the highest capital cost (capex)\r\nbut said it was cheap to run, as in low operational cost (opex),\r\nciting $1\/million BTU.\r\nHe said Kemper coal was similar.\r\nHe disparaged renewables for being intermittent.\r\nThis is exactly where Southern Company could be most useful by\r\nsolving that problem with batteries and other storage and a smart grid.\r\nInstead he continued to tout natural gas as the connector in the middle.\r\n<H4><a name=\"dead-horse\" href=\"#dead-horse\">Chasing a dead nuclear horse? &mdash;Charles Wade<\/a><\/H4>\r\n<p>\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/players.brightcove.net\/18122129001\/default_default\/index.html?videoId=5449981723001&#038;t=11m4s\">\r\nCharles Wade from Noonan, Georgia, with about 4,000 shares<\/a>\r\nsaid his portfolio was not balanced &#8220;I&#8217;m heavy in Southern&#8221;.\r\nHe wanted to know &#8220;what you&#8217;ve done for me lately. The last five years have been a dead horse.&#8221;\r\nHe had the Atlanta Journal-Constitution article about Plant Vogtle\r\nbeing exhibit A for why no company had built any nuclear plants in the\r\npast 30 years, and he wanted to know why Southern Company thought it could do it.\r\n<p style=\"text-align:center;font-size:80%\">\r\n<a title=\"Is nuclear a dead horse? --Charles Wade\" href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/?attachment_id=18540\">\r\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none\" id=\"18542\" width=\"600\" height=\"576\" alt=\"Is nuclear a dead horse? --Charles Wade\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/4dac3cb05e7a13c4a5a4bd570fc7c9ce.jpg\"><\/a>\r\n<\/p>\r\n<p>\r\n<a name=\"quagmire\" href=\"#quagmire\">This<\/a> is the main newspaper article he was referring to:\r\nRussell Grantham Johnny Edwards, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution,\r\n19 May 2017,\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.ajc.com\/business\/how-much-will-plant-vogtle-new-reactors-really-cost\/HBBCCO5R4Uv69R11DJvclM\/\">\r\nAt Plant Vogtle, nuclear rebirth becomes financial quagmire<\/a>,\r\nheadline since dumbed down to &#8220;How much will Plant Vogtle\u2019s new reactors really cost us?&#8221;\r\n<p>\r\nWade read some comments from the newspaper, including that SO is trying\r\nto re-create an industry with no live knowledge base.\r\nHe wondered,\r\n&#8220;It sounds like we&#8217;re chasing a dead horse.&#8221;\r\n\r\n<p>\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/players.brightcove.net\/18122129001\/default_default\/index.html?videoId=5449981723001&#038;t=13m30s\">\r\nFanning, for once paused<\/a>, perhaps briefly at a loss for words,\r\nthen complained the AJC doesn&#8217;t always give a balanced story.\r\nHis version was slow permits, schedule delays, and still working out cost to complete.\r\nHe claimed the $6.3 billion Westinghouse has written out has almost none accrued to the bills of Georgia Power customers.\r\nHe said SO had successfully lobbied for loan guarantees and &#8220;all sorts of other&#8221;\r\nthings.\r\nHe said cost increases to Georgia Power customers would be 6.5-8 cents, not 12.\r\nUm, that&#8217;s still an increase, when solar power would produce a decrease.\r\nHe did\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/players.brightcove.net\/18122129001\/default_default\/index.html?videoId=5449981723001&#038;t=16m8s\">\r\nalso say this<\/a>:\r\n<blockquote style=\"font-size:100%\">\r\n<p>\r\nI&#8217;m an enormous fan of renewables, you all know that.\r\nI said that the first time I got on this stage.\r\nAnd I mentioned solar.\r\nAnd now we&#8217;re either the biggest, depending on what day, we&#8217;re either the biggest\r\nowner or second biggest owner of solar in America.\r\n<p>\r\nAnd now I wasn&#8217;t crazy about wind and now we&#8217;re\r\n<a name=\"wind-pivot\" href=\"#wind-pivot\">pivoting towards wind<\/a>.\r\nAnd it&#8217;s gotten to a point where I think it makes sense.\r\nIt still has some infirmities relying on long-haul transmission\r\nand things like that.\r\n<\/blockquote>\r\n<p style=\"text-align:center;font-size:80%\">\r\n<a title=\"Tom Fanning pivoting to wind\" href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/?attachment_id=18543\">\r\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none\" id=\"18545\" width=\"600\" height=\"603\" alt=\"Tom Fanning pivoting to wind\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/cd9ef89673e68506fc193c140c365b7a.jpg\"><\/a>\r\n<\/p>\r\n<p>\r\n<a name=\"or-not\" href=\"#or-not\">\r\nHe wrapped up his response by saying Plant Vogtle depended on<\/a>\r\nwhether Toshiba stood by its guarantees, cost-benefit analysis, what GA-PSC says, what\r\nco-owners say, etc., and that all feeds into\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/players.brightcove.net\/18122129001\/default_default\/index.html?videoId=5449981723001&#038;t=17m10s\">&#8220;this board&#8217;s decision on whether to recommend going forward, or not.&#8221;<\/a>\r\n<p style=\"text-align:center;font-size:80%\">\r\n<a title=\"To go forward with Plant Vogtle or not --Tom Fanning\" href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/?attachment_id=18546\">\r\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none\" id=\"18548\" width=\"600\" height=\"643\" alt=\"To go forward with Plant Vogtle or not --Tom Fanning\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/1f5004773b478a66801863ad4dbc1dc1.jpg\"><\/a>\r\n<\/p>\r\n<p>\r\nWhich is the first time I&#8217;ve ever heard him say he or his board or Southern Company might decide not to go forward with Plant Vogtle.\r\n<H4><a name=\"carbon-tax\" href=\"#carbon-tax\">Carbon tax? &mdash;Joyce Lemon<\/a><\/H4>\r\n<p>\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/players.brightcove.net\/18122129001\/default_default\/index.html?videoId=5449981723001&#038;t=17m33s\">\r\nJoyce Lemon of Birmingham, Alabama, with 155 shares<\/a>,\r\nsaid she was proud of those shares, and Fanning agreed.\r\nShe commended the leadership council and the board on their efforts\r\nto contain emissions because she wants to pass on a livable planet.\r\nShe said she had sent him an article about &#8220;the improbable set of circumstances&#8221;\r\nSO had to contend with back in 2008 or so when it decided to build\r\nnew nukes at Plant Vogtle, including flat demand,\r\nlow natural gas prices, and no price on carbon.\r\nThe price on carbon is what she wanted to address,\r\nhaving taught micro-economics, and she said the price of carbon\r\nis too low because it fails to cover the whole cost to society.\r\nShe asked him to consider the opportunity to get a carbon price set\r\nwith the proceeds of a &#8220;market-based, revenue-neutral&#8221; price going\r\nback to the people, not the government, as a carbon dividend.\r\n<p>\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/players.brightcove.net\/18122129001\/default_default\/index.html?videoId=5449981723001&#038;t=21m20s\">\r\nFanning agreed<\/a> that low natural gas prices had changed many things.\r\nHe cited the 2009-10 timeframe decision to go ahead with Kemper coal.\r\nNote that that is before Fanning became CEO,\r\nsomething he remarked on explicitly at another time in the meeting.\r\nPlant Vogtle was also decided before his time, which I think\r\nhe also mentioned.\r\nHe continued saying internally SO does evaluate a carbon price\r\nwith a matrix of outcomes to &#8220;create a dominant solution&#8221;\r\nand said that was an indirect price of carbon on transmission,\r\ngeneration, and &#8220;environmental solutions&#8221;.\r\nI don&#8217;t think SO&#8217;s matrices take into account the exponential\r\ndeployment rates of solar and wind power.\r\n<p>\r\nI also think a carbon tax is too little too late.\r\nToo little because it doesn&#8217;t include methane,\r\nand because it would be gamed by big fossil fuel companies and\r\nutilities to delay getting off of thermal generation (fossil fuels, nuclear, and biomass) and onto renewable sun, wind, and water power.\r\nToo late because we no longer have time for half measures.\r\n<H4><a name=\"jsq\" href=\"#jsq\">Will you lead to sun and wind power? &mdash;John S. Quarterman<\/a><\/H4>\r\n<p>\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/players.brightcove.net\/18122129001\/default_default\/index.html?videoId=5449981723001&#038;t=23m48s\">\r\nJohn S. Quarterman of Lowndes County, Georgia, with 200 shares<\/a>:\r\n<blockquote style=\"font-size:100%\">\r\n<p>\r\nHowdy, and once again it&#8217;s your fault I own those shares, you&#8217;re such a good salesman!\r\n<p>\r\nFanning: [Chuckles.] What&#8217;d you bring us?\r\n<p>\r\nI&#8217;ve brought you the traditional present from <a href=\"http:\/\/www.okraparadisefarms.com\/\">Okra Paradise Farms<\/a>,\r\nokra pickles!\r\n<p style=\"text-align:center;font-size:80%\">\r\n<a title=\"Okra pickles from Okra Paradise Farms -jsq\" href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/?attachment_id=18549\">\r\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none\" id=\"18551\" width=\"600\" height=\"758\" alt=\"Okra pickles from Okra Paradise Farms -jsq\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/0d7436dbaa12118cdbc85db2007d598f.jpg\"><\/a>\r\n<\/p>\r\n<p>\r\nFanning: [Claps.] Excellent, okra. Did you bring some for everybody?\r\n<p>\r\nUh, no, but I do have enough yellow squash for everybody, in the car.\r\n<p style=\"text-align:center;font-size:80%\">\r\n<a title=\"Enough yellow squash for everybody -jsq\" href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/?attachment_id=18552\">\r\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none\" id=\"18554\" width=\"600\" height=\"753\" alt=\"Enough yellow squash for everybody -jsq\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/2b50f2bee4e674a91765d2e7409daa24.jpg\"><\/a>\r\n<\/p>\r\n<p>\r\nRonnie Just has offered to hold these for me.\r\n<p style=\"text-align:center;font-size:80%\">\r\n<a title=\"Ronny Just texting\" href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/?attachment_id=18557\">\r\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none\" id=\"18557\" width=\"600\" height=\"908\" alt=\"Ronny Just texting\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/f7563d6d4a32b976bb6bf89a54e94132.jpg\"><\/a>\r\n<br>Ronny Just texting back to people who just heard his name on the live video feed.\r\n<\/p>\r\n<p>\r\nFanning: Thank you John. Appreciate it. Always fun to have you here.\r\n<p>\r\nAll righty.<a href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/2012\/05\/exit-strategy-for-when-this-big-nuclear-bet-goes-bad-john-s-quarterman-so-2012-05-23.html\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"float:right;border:none\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/images\/6a0120a58214e4970b0163062ad456970d-pi.jpg\"><\/a>\r\nThis is now <a href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/2012\/06\/videos-of-shareholder-questions-to-southern-company-so-2012-05-23.html\">five years since I first came here and asked you<\/a> what\r\nyou were gonna do when those Big Bets go bad.\r\n<p>\r\nFanning: [The video does not show, but he nodded at that. Also\r\nnote Southern Company&#8217;s official history they were giving out in multiple formats five years ago is entitled <a href=\"http:\/\/southerncompany.com\/historybook\/\">Big Bets: Decisions and Leaders That Shaped Southern Company<\/a>.]\r\n<p>\r\nAnd I see Kemper Coal got yet another Moody&#8217;s downgrade in March.\r\n<p>\r\nPlant Vogtle, <a href=\"#quagmire\">quagmire<\/a>, like <a href=\"http:\/\/thediplomat.com\/2015\/08\/dont-forget-land-wars-in-asia\/\">a land war in Asia<\/a>.\r\n<blockquote style=\"float:right;width:50%;font-size:80%\">\r\n<p>\r\nFriends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears.\r\n<br>\r\nI come to bury Caesar, not to praise him.\r\n<br>\r\n&mdash;Mark Antony, <em>Julius Caesar<\/em>, Act 1, Scene 2,<br> by William Shakespeare\r\n<\/blockquote>\r\n<p>\r\nBut! I&#8217;m not here to talk about that.\r\n<p>\r\nI am not here to bury Plant Vogtle; I&#8217;ll let Georgia PSC do that.\r\n<p>\r\nI am here to praise Tom Fanning and Southern Company.\r\n<p>\r\nAnd to start with, to congratulate you all on closing coal plants,\r\nlike Plant Mitchell.\r\nI look forward to you closing Plant Scherer so it will stop sending\r\nmercury up in the air that comes down in our Alapaha River.\r\n<p>\r\n[Some nearby stockholders started clapping.]\r\n<p style=\"text-align:center;font-size:80%\">\r\n<a title=\"Mercury from Plant Scherer in Alapaha River --jsq to Fanning\" href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/?attachment_id=18558\">\r\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none\" id=\"18560\" width=\"600\" height=\"171\" alt=\"Mercury from Plant Scherer in Alapaha River --jsq to Fanning\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/76ee39909fd7d3870fbb495d6797a3b7.jpg\"><\/a>\r\n<\/p>\r\n<p>\r\nYes, you want to clap? Ok, yay.\r\n<p>\r\nOK, so, however.\r\nWe don&#8217;t want your coal ash.\r\nWe don&#8217;t want your coal ash in our landfill in Lowndes County, which is\r\na quarter mile uphill from the Withlacoochee River and in an aquifer recharge zone.\r\n<p>\r\nAnd if I can briefly put on my other hat as Suwannee Riverkeeper&#8230;\r\n<p>\r\nFanning: [The video doesn&#8217;t show, but Fanning nodded; he does his homework.]\r\n<p style=\"text-align:center;font-size:80%\">\r\n<a title=\"We dont your coal ash in any landfill in the Suwannee River Basin --Suwannee Riverkeeper\" href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/?attachment_id=18564\">\r\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none\" id=\"18566\" width=\"600\" height=\"585\" alt=\"We dont your coal ash in any landfill in the Suwannee River Basin --Suwannee Riverkeeper\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/4b23d7db9ccaeab474c1607a8d5ac38d.jpg\"><\/a>\r\n<\/p>\r\n<p>\r\n&#8230;we don&#8217;t want your coal ash in any landfill in the Suwannee River Basin.\r\nI&#8217;m speaking not only for our Georgia members but also for the ones in Florida,\r\nwe don&#8217;t want your coal ash in our landfills or coming down our rivers\r\nto the Suwannee and into the Gulf or into the Floridan Aquifer.\r\n<p>\r\nGeorgia Power and the rest of you made it\r\nand it seems you can find a way to store it.\r\n<p>\r\nAnd, um, I would like to recommend that you do; this is question number one;\r\nthat you do what you did in 2015, which is that after a dozen years of\r\nopposition to changing the Georgia law to facilitate solar financing,\r\nyou guys backed the bill and changed it and started selling solar power.\r\n<p>\r\nI recommend that in 2017 you pivot that way about coal, and instead of\r\nwhat you guys did this year of opposing a very mild-mannered set of\r\ncoal ash bills that basically would have brought greater transparency,\r\nI recommend in 2017 that you pivot and support\r\ntransparency in coal ash and even better bills.\r\n<p>\r\nOK, so as part of AGL you got Pivotal Energy.\r\nWhich includes\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/2017\/02\/georgia-power-new-acquisition-agls-pivotal-lng-exporting-through-jaxport.html\">\r\nPivotal LNG.\r\nWhich has a deal to ship liquid natural gas to Jacksonville for export<\/a>.\r\nThat means LNG bomb trucks going past Moultrie Technical College in Tifton,\r\npast Wiregrass Technical College in Valdosta,\r\npast Lowndes High School in Valdosta, where I went to school.\r\nI do not see this as a good Big Bet.\r\n<p>\r\nNow, getting slightly more personal here, since you own AGL,\r\nyou also own the pipeline that starts on my property and runs to\r\nMoody Air Force Base.\r\n<p style=\"text-align:center;font-size:80%\">\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/98706376@N00\/9400517230\/sizes\/z\/\" title=\"Valdosta No 3. Take Off Moody\">\r\n<img decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none;\" src=\"http:\/\/farm3.staticflickr.com\/2824\/9400517230_75b81d7019_z.jpg\" alt=\"Valdosta No 3. Take Off Moody\"><\/a>\r\n<\/p>\r\n<p>\r\nAnd since you own half of Southern Natural Gas, you own half of the\r\nother pipeline it connects to, which also means you own <a href=\"http:\/\/www.okraparadisefarms.com\/blog\/2013\/07\/natural-gas-pipeline.html\">the step-down station<\/a>\r\nthat is constantly hissing 24&nbsp;by&nbsp;7 <a href=\"http:\/\/players.brightcove.net\/18122129001\/default_default\/index.html?videoId=5449981723001&#038;t=27m50s\">[hisses]<\/a>.\r\n<p style=\"text-align:center;font-size:80%\">\r\n<a title=\"Hisses like SONAT-AGL pipeline stepdown to Moody AFB --jsq\" href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/?attachment_id=18570\">\r\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none\" id=\"18572\" width=\"600\" height=\"806\" alt=\"Hisses like SONAT-AGL pipeline stepdown to Moody AFB --jsq\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/72ac45071edc1abfaef017791f70b385.jpg\"><\/a>\r\n<\/p>\r\n<p>\r\nAnd I&#8217;ve looked through the easement papers my father signed,\r\nand I do not see anywhere where it say that the pipeline company gets\r\na noise easement for the surrounding 40 acres. [audience chuckles]\r\n<p style=\"text-align:center;font-size:80%\">\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/98706376@N00\/9397750987\/sizes\/z\/\" title=\"Moody station\">\r\n<img decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none;\" src=\"http:\/\/farm8.staticflickr.com\/7422\/9397750987_a2ecc875f4_z.jpg\" alt=\"Moody station\"><\/a>\r\n<\/p>\r\n<p>\r\nSo, I have a suggestion.\r\nAnother congratulations here: Warner Robins.\r\nSomebody mentioned solar panels at Warner Robins and all those other\r\nmilitary bases: yay!\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/players.brightcove.net\/18122129001\/default_default\/index.html?videoId=5449981723001&#038;t=28m13s\">\r\n[claps, joined by a few others]<\/a>\r\n<p style=\"text-align:center;font-size:80%\">\r\n<a title=\"Claps for solar power at military bases --jsq\" href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/?attachment_id=18567\">\r\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none\" id=\"18569\" width=\"600\" height=\"849\" alt=\"Claps for solar power at military bases --jsq\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/6eac6011c606a03e8fc253be149bab1b.jpg\"><\/a>\r\n<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>\r\nPlease keep doing that.\r\nAnd in particular, how about at Moody Air Force Base?\r\nYou put enough solar panels at Moody; they won&#8217;t need that pipeline;\r\nthey can shut it down.\r\nThen I won&#8217;t hear that hissing.\r\nYou can do that!\r\n<p style=\"text-align:center;font-size:80%\">\r\n<a title=\"SO percentage of renewable energy more than doubled in one year --jsq\" href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/?attachment_id=18573\">\r\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none\" id=\"18575\" width=\"600\" height=\"133\" alt=\"SO percentage of renewable energy more than doubled in one year --jsq\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/d23989ca753b8fcbff272d52ec9515c0.jpg\"><\/a>\r\n<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"float:right;width:300px;text-align:center;font-weight:bold\">\r\n2017 Mix:\r\n<br>\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/investor.southerncompany.com\/information-for-investors\/corporate-governance\/sec-filings\/sec-filings-details\/default.aspx?FilingId=11954460\">\r\n<img decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none;width:300px\" width=\"300\" alt=\"2017 Energy Mix\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/03\/29ba21ef1480ca694c249f11c6e295bd.jpg\"><\/a>\r\n<br>\r\n2016 Mix:\r\n<br>\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/investor.southerncompany.com\/information-for-investors\/corporate-governance\/sec-filings\/sec-filings-details\/default.aspx?FilingId=11283804\">\r\n<img decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none;width:300px\" width=\"300\" alt=\"2016 Energy Mix\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/03\/de58dc0aec0896d6cde3edc756dc8870-1.jpg\"><\/a>\r\n<\/p>\r\n<p>\r\nOK, I noticed\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/2017\/03\/southern-company-shareholder-meeting-renewables-more-than-doubled-in-one-year-2017-05-24.html\">\r\ncomparing the proxy letter this year to the proxy letter last year<\/a> the mix.\r\nThe percentage of renewables more than doubled in one year.\r\n\r\n<p>\r\nThat&#8217;s twice as fast as solar power is increasing total deployed capacity\r\nin this country.\r\nSouthern Company <em>is<\/em> actually now leading the country\r\nin speed of deployment of solar.\r\n<p>\r\nBut even that doubling every two year rate\r\nof solar power, that&#8217;s like as you mentioned before,\r\ncompound interest.\r\nThere&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/2017\/02\/u-s-electric-power-source-projections-solar-still-most-by-2023.html\">only two power sources that are growing like that: solar and wind<\/a>.\r\n<p style=\"text-align:center;font-size:80%\">\r\n<a title=\"Only two energy sources are growing exponentially: solar and wind -jsq\" href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/?attachment_id=18576\">\r\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none\" id=\"18578\" width=\"600\" height=\"777\" alt=\"Only two energy sources are growing exponentially: solar and wind -jsq\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/b87acd021985ec8fc0d316dfd7e53cb0.jpg\"><\/a>\r\n<\/p>\r\n<p>\r\nFor those of us who like compound interest, and interest from dividends&#8230;.\r\n<p>\r\n[Another stockholder turned and smiled at that]\r\n<p style=\"text-align:center;font-size:80%\">\r\n<a title=\"Compound interest and dividends --jsq\" href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/?attachment_id=18579\">\r\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none\" id=\"18581\" width=\"600\" height=\"396\" alt=\"Compound interest and dividends --jsq\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/2e2d683c39db21860c8cb1e1f772dd58.jpg\"><\/a>\r\n<\/p>\r\n<p>\r\n<a href=\"#winning-horse\" name=\"winning-horse\">\r\nSome of us might like to suggest<\/a> that <a href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/2017\/03\/southern-company-shareholder-meeting-renewables-more-than-doubled-in-one-year-2017-05-24.html\">Southern Company&#8217;s board should look\r\ncarefully at<\/a> how many billions of dollars have you spent on natural gas\r\nand what return have you gotten for it.\r\nBecause in that same comparison of mix tables, natural gas is flat.\r\nCoal and nuclear are down.\r\nThe only thing that is increasing is renewables.\r\nIt looks to me like that&#8217;s where the\r\nwinning horse is.\r\n<p>\r\nBut you&#8217;re the CEO, not me, it&#8217;s your decision for sure.\r\n<p>\r\nOK, so I&#8217;d also like to congratulate you on all that solar and wind you have deployed and the battery deal with Tesla [which Fanning announced in 2015].\r\nAdd to that a smart grid.\r\nAs you always point out the only or the biggest private R&amp;D utility operation in the country; add to that your expanded territory:\r\nyou have the capability to, well.\r\n<p>\r\nYou&#8217;ve been doing this for at least five years now, I know because I&#8217;ve seen you up there for that long.\r\nSo probably at this point you&#8217;re thinking about your legacy.\r\n<p style=\"text-align:center;font-size:80%\">\r\n<a title=\"Legacy --Fanning reaction\" href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/?attachment_id=18582\">\r\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none\" id=\"18587\" width=\"600\" height=\"752\" alt=\"Legacy --Fanning reaction\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/da3a83f59fee18ef73ff233995b82cb8.jpg\"><\/a>\r\n<\/p>\r\n<p>\r\nOr your board is.\r\n<p>\r\nFanning: [Smiles, and\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/players.brightcove.net\/18122129001\/default_default\/index.html?videoId=5449981723001&#038;t=30m22s\">\r\naudience chuckles<\/a>.]\r\n<p style=\"text-align:center;font-size:80%\">\r\n<a title=\"Legacy --crowd reaction\" href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/?attachment_id=18588\">\r\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none\" id=\"18590\" width=\"600\" height=\"395\" alt=\"Legacy --crowd reaction\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/7bb5a23aa406f2ff0f4099e16ffbb94a-1.jpg\"><\/a>\r\n<\/p>\r\n<p>\r\n<blockquote style=\"float:right;width:50%;font-size:80%\">\r\n<p>\r\nThe evil that men do lives after them;\r\n<br>\r\nThe good is oft interr\u00e8d with their bones.\r\n<br>\r\nSo let it be with Caesar.\r\n<br>\r\n&mdash;Mark Antony, <em>Julius Caesar<\/em>, Act 1, Scene 2,<br> by William Shakespeare\r\n<\/blockquote>\r\n<p>\r\nDo you want your legacy to be <a href=\"#quagmire\">a nuclear quagmire<\/a>?\r\n<p>\r\nOr do you want it to be that you, Tom Fanning, had the energy,\r\nto pivot the Titanic company of Southern Company\r\naway from the nuclear iceberg and lead it:\r\nthe company, the southeast, the country, and the world\r\ntowards the sun and the wind power?\r\n<p>\r\nThank you.\r\n<\/blockquote>\r\n<p>\r\nYes, I was alluding to Shakespeare&#8217;s play Julius Caesar, but let me be clear:\r\nI went straight to what Mark Antony worked around to;\r\nI came not to bury Plant Vogtle but to praise Tom Fanning and SO\r\nand to ask them to do more: to make a legacy that will live on.\r\n<p>\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/players.brightcove.net\/18122129001\/default_default\/index.html?videoId=5449981723001&#038;t=30m45s\">\r\nFanning chuckled<\/a> and <a name=\"fanning-to-jsq\" href=\"#fanning-to-jsq\">answered:<\/a>\r\n<blockquote style=\"font-size:100%\">\r\n<p>\r\nThanks, John, I always look forward to your comments.\r\n<p>\r\nLet me, uh, let me say a few things [looking at his notes].\r\n<p style=\"text-align:center;font-size:80%\">\r\n<a title=\"jsq and Ted Terry, E.D. of Sierra Club Georgia\" href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/?attachment_id=18591\">\r\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none\" id=\"18593\" width=\"600\" height=\"333\" alt=\"jsq and Ted Terry, E.D. of Sierra Club Georgia\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/8d96b6ecf06ff3e61eff7a0dd9b3f290.jpg\"><\/a>\r\n<\/p>\r\n<p>\r\nI&#8217;m not familiar about the hissing station.\r\nI take you at your word.\r\nHere&#8217;s Drew Evans.\r\nTalk to him and see what&#8217;s going on.\r\n<p>\r\nOn the ash, you know, I think I made a little news here,\r\nah, three years ago?\r\nWhere I said today we&#8217;re going to close all of our ash ponds,\r\nand some of our guys said, &#8220;we are?&#8221;\r\nAnd son of a gun!\r\nParticularly here in Georgia, working in concert \r\nwith your state EDP we&#8217;ve commenced that in a big way.\r\nAnd we&#8217;re doing it in an exceedingly responsible way.\r\nWe&#8217;re removing all the ash and putting it in a landfill,\r\na safe landfill lined and everything else,\r\nwhere you&#8217;re near any waterway.\r\nAnd even where you&#8217;re not,\r\nwe&#8217;re using the highest level of technology.\r\nClosing in place,\r\nbut putting in place slurry walls, that do not permit the migration\r\nof anything from the close-in-place dike to anywhere outside our\r\nboundary of our plant.\r\n<p>\r\nSo we&#8217;re using the highest level of technology, working hand in glove with the state of Georgia.\r\n<\/blockquote>\r\n<p>\r\nRight, and Georgia Power worked hand in glove with GA-EPD in shooting\r\ndown those coal ash bills, too,\r\nso there is room to improvement.\r\nFanning did not address my request for SO to pivot to support new and better\r\ncoal ash bills.\r\n<blockquote style=\"font-size:100%\">\r\n<p>\r\nAnd the state of Georgia in fact is ahead of the federal requirements.\r\nBut all of our companies are working on these kinds of issues\r\nacross the southeast.\r\nSo, um, back in Georgia, we&#8217;re ahead of the federal game in that regard.\r\n<p>\r\nLast thing, renewables mix.\r\nIt&#8217;s fascinating.\r\nI&#8217;ve talked about this before,\r\nand I wish we could continue to grow solar and everything else the way we have.\r\nYou know that in legislation passed last year they are phasing out\r\nsome of the tax benefits associated with investment\r\ntax credits associated with solar,\r\nand production tax credit associated with wind.\r\nWe have made a commitment to do more wind and to take advantage of\r\nthose production tax credits.\r\n<p>\r\nUm, I think it will be an interesting period going forward in this\r\nnew tax reform package that may or may not get debated\r\neffectively in Congress.\r\nAnd we see that Tr&#8230; president Trump has come out with his own proposal.\r\nWhat the fate of that is&#8230;.\r\n<p>\r\nYou know that this immense growth\r\nthat we saw,\r\nremember how we went from two and a half billion in our\r\ncapex for renewables became four and a half billion\r\nthat&#8217;s what led to all these changes that you&#8217;ve seen.\r\nWhether we can sustain that or not, I can tell you that our budget\r\nthis year is only a billion and a half.\r\n<p>\r\nWhy did we go from four and a half to a billion and a half?\r\nThat&#8217;s because the tax credits are eroding;\r\nthe market is drying up a little bit.\r\n<p>\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/players.brightcove.net\/18122129001\/default_default\/index.html?videoId=5449981723001&#038;t=33m47s\">\r\nI still think<\/a>;\r\n<a name=\"develops\" href=\"#develops\">\r\nplease hear me!<\/a>\r\n<p style=\"text-align:center;font-size:80%\">\r\n<a title=\"Please hear me about renewables --Tom Fanning\" href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/?attachment_id=18594\">\r\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none\" id=\"18596\" width=\"600\" height=\"317\" alt=\"Please hear me about renewables --Tom Fanning\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/ad8bdc48e3c28455b1b4a5050b57b174.jpg\"><\/a>\r\n<\/p>\r\nI think renewables are exceedingly important in the future.\r\nLook at what we&#8217;ve done.\r\nI stand behind my word.\r\nWe&#8217;ll see how it develops.\r\nIf it develops well,\r\nwe&#8217;ll be right there in a leadership role.\r\n<p style=\"text-align:center;font-size:80%\">\r\n<a title=\"Well see how it develops --Tom Fanning\" href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/?attachment_id=18597\">\r\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none\" id=\"18599\" width=\"600\" height=\"335\" alt=\"Well see how it develops --Tom Fanning\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/0170af3b6169b85150f986197ea9ec2b.jpg\"><\/a>\r\n<\/p>\r\n<p>\r\nSo John, thank you so much.\r\nYou&#8217;re always welcome.\r\n<\/blockquote>\r\n<p>\r\nAnd I thank you, Tom, for your hospitality and your thoughtful answer.\r\nBut in previous years you told us all how much influence you and\r\nSouthern Company have over federal energy policy.\r\nAnd SO has more influence than anyone else on the planet over\r\nwind in the Atlantic offshore from Georgia, which SO is not yet doing.\r\nPlus the price of solar and wind power keeps going down, so that\r\nthey are already competitive without tax benefits, unlike nuclear,\r\nwhich you just said in this meeting required a federal loan guarantee\r\nand other subsidies.\r\nAs for the &#8220;market drying up&#8221;,\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/2017\/02\/new-solar-up-95-in-2016-more-installed-than-gas-or-wind.html\">last year more new U.S. electricity\r\ncame from solar power than any other source<\/a>, as you know.\r\n<p>\r\nSo instead of waiting to see, I ask you again to secure your own legacy\r\nby leading us into the future of solar and wind power with storage\r\nand a smart grid.\r\n<H4><a name=\"IT\" href=\"#IT\">Cybersecurity countermeasures? &mdash;Nancy Everett<\/a><\/H4>\r\n<p>\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/players.brightcove.net\/18122129001\/default_default\/index.html?videoId=5449981723001&#038;t=34m5s\">\r\nNancy Everett of Panama City<\/a> with 5,019 shares\r\nwanted to know what security scenario keeps Fanning awake at night\r\nand what IT countermeasures SO is implementing,\r\nincluding employing and training the brightest and best.\r\n<p style=\"text-align:center;font-size:80%\">\r\n<a title=\"Cybersecurity countermeasures? --Nancy Everett\" href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/?attachment_id=18600\">\r\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none\" id=\"18602\" width=\"600\" height=\"410\" alt=\"Cybersecurity countermeasures? --Nancy Everett\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/dabaf915cdc6b6c476c2c0165e7403a5.jpg\"><\/a>\r\n<\/p>\r\n<p>\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/players.brightcove.net\/18122129001\/default_default\/index.html?videoId=5449981723001&#038;t=35m5s\">\r\nFanning, a former CIO, said he could<\/a> &#8220;go on and wax eloquent for hours&#8221;\r\non this subject.\r\nHe said he chairs for the U.S. the electricity sector for cybersecurity and physical security,\r\napparently referring to\r\n&#8220;his role as chairman of the Electricity Sub-Sector Coordinating Council, an obscure yet potent group of 30 executives that interacts with federal government intelligence and energy agencies to protect the nation&#8217;s power grid from threats and devise responses should an incident occur.&#8221;\r\nRod Kuckro, E&amp;E, 20 June 2014,\r\n<a href=\"https:\/\/www.eenews.net\/stories\/1060001678\">Southern Co. CEO relishes role as chairman of industry&#8217;s cyber brain trust<\/a>.\r\n<p>\r\nHe mentioned a report to the president by the\r\n<a href=\"https:\/\/www.dhs.gov\/publication\/niac-2017-meeting-information\">\r\nNational Infrastructure Advisory Council (NIAC)<\/a>,\r\npresumably refering to this latest one listed on NIAC&#8217;s web site,\r\n<a href=\"https:\/\/www.dhs.gov\/sites\/default\/files\/publications\/niac-cyber-scoping-study-powerpoint-02-16-17-508v2.pdf\">\r\ndated 16 February 2017<\/a>, which lists on page 15 under &#8220;Who We Talked To&#8221;:\r\n<blockquote style=\"font-size:100%\">\r\n<p>\r\nCritical Infrastructure Community\r\n<ul>\r\n<li>Tom Fanning, Chairman and CEO, Southern Company; Chair, Electricity SCC\r\n<\/ul>\r\n<\/blockquote>\r\n<p>\r\nFanning said NIAC called out &#8220;the electricity sector&#8217;s stance or preparation&#8221;\r\nis the best in the United States.\r\nHe said out of a longer list of critical sectors,\r\n&#8220;we have simplified that down to three&#8221;\r\nfinance, electricity, telecom,\r\nand they&#8217;ve been coordinating response to any potential cyber incursion.\r\nHe used human antibodies as an analogy with internal cyber defenses\r\nif a cyber attack gets past the first levels that try to keep it out.\r\nHe said he has &#8220;high classified status&#8221; with national security,\r\nand two SO board members,\r\nLinda Hudson and Dale Klein, likewise have that kind of security clearance.\r\nAll three get classified briefings on &#8220;what the bad guys are doing&#8221;.\r\n<p>\r\nHe said he was very proud of harmonizing information sharing and security\r\nfor a deep defense, especially since the private sector owns 87% of the\r\ncritical infrastructure in this country.\r\nHe said much more, praising the three-letter agencies,\r\nabout white listing, black listing, and grey areas,\r\nusing a trout fishing analogy of looking for swirls near\r\nfishing pools.\r\n<p>\r\nWhich is all true, although he didn&#8217;t say anything about the three-letter\r\nagencies curating zero-day exploits and deliberately infecting every\r\ndevice they can.\r\nOne of the main reasons the Internet is so insecure is those agencies\r\nlike it that way.\r\n<p>\r\nHe praised fusion centers for coordinating local, state, federal, and private\r\nsecurity, and international.\r\nHe did not mention that those very same fusion centers have been used\r\nagainst peaceful unarmed U.S. protestors in Occupy, and water protectors\r\nat Standing Rock, among specific examples that are known.\r\n<p>\r\nHe said former NYC Mayor Rudy Giuliani, advising the president,\r\nhas asked Fanning along with\r\nretired General Keith Alexander formerly simultaneously head of\r\nNSA and U.S. Cyber Command,\r\nto brief the president on security of the electric grid.\r\n<p>\r\nFanning concluded by saying the U.S. electric grid was &#8220;well spoken for\r\nand resilient&#8221;.\r\n<H4><a name=\"godfrey\" href=\"#godfrey\">Why couldn&#8217;t transfer AGL stock? &mdash;Martha Godfrey<\/a><\/H4>\r\n<p>\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/players.brightcove.net\/18122129001\/default_default\/index.html?videoId=5449981723001&#038;t=45m31s\">\r\nMartha Godfey from LaGrange, Georgia<\/a>, with 4,200 shares,\r\nsaid she owned substantial shares in AGL because her father used to work there;\r\nshe could not sell them due to the merger deal; so she got cash, and a tax bill.\r\nShe wanted to know why she couldn&#8217;t transfer stock for stock.\r\n<p style=\"text-align:center;font-size:80%\">\r\n<a title=\"Why couldnt transfer AGL stock? --Martha Godfrey\" href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/?attachment_id=18603\">\r\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none\" id=\"18605\" width=\"600\" height=\"654\" alt=\"Why couldnt transfer AGL stock? --Martha Godfrey\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/3d641e162f1722103f41fa93ca033d85.jpg\"><\/a>\r\n<\/p>\r\n<p>\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/players.brightcove.net\/18122129001\/default_default\/index.html?videoId=5449981723001&#038;t=45m31s\">\r\nFanning answered<\/a>\r\nthat it was because SO paid cash and only later did a stock deal,\r\nwhich turned out to be a good deal since SO&#8217;s stock went up on the announcement.\r\n<p>\r\n<H4><a name=\"alexander\" href=\"#alexander\">Lake Sinclair after coal plant closed? &mdash;Richard Alexander<\/a><\/H4>\r\n<p>\r\nRichard Alexander of Perry, Georgia, with over 100 shares,\r\nfirst apologized for not understanding the protocol in his first Southern Company meeting, and said how proud he was to be a stockholder.\r\nHis two questions were about the plant being closed at Lake Sinclair.\r\n<\/p>\r\n<ol>\r\n<li>\r\nWhat&#8217;s going to happen to the lake now that the plant is closed?\r\n<li>\r\nAnd what about those fishermen running around because they can&#8217;t find the plant to go home?\r\n<\/ol>\r\n<p style=\"text-align:center;font-size:80%\">\r\n<a title=\"Lake Sinclair after coal plant closed? &mdash;Richard Alexander href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/?attachment_id=18606\">\r\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none\" id=\"18608\" width=\"600\" height=\"750\" alt=\"Lake Sinclair after coal plant closed? &mdash;Richard Alexander\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/f8b4546ad06becaf9fce131eff70ad62.jpg\"><\/a>\r\n<\/p>\r\n<p>\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/players.brightcove.net\/18122129001\/default_default\/index.html?videoId=5449981723001&#038;t=48m10s\">\r\nFanning laughed and said<\/a>\r\nPaul Bowers, president and CEO of Georgia Power Company,\r\nwould hand out compasses, and Bowers would handle the closing issue.\r\n<\/>\r\n<H4><a name=\"Yucca\" href=\"#Yucca\">Nuclear fuel buried at Yucca Mountain, Nevada? &mdash;Richard Tenny<\/a><\/H4>\r\n<p>\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/players.brightcove.net\/18122129001\/default_default\/index.html?videoId=5449981723001&#038;t=48m38s\">\r\nRichard Tenney<\/a> with 4,000 shares\r\nwanted to know what has happened with nuclear fuel buried at Yucca Mountain.\r\n<p style=\"text-align:center;font-size:80%\">\r\n<a title=\"Yucca Mountain and Plant Vogtle costs and finish date? --Richard Tenney\" href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/?attachment_id=18609\">\r\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none\" id=\"18611\" width=\"600\" height=\"513\" alt=\"Yucca Mountain and Plant Vogtle costs and finish date? --Richard Tenney\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/6636d616b05c2878f7440e1816ae13d8.jpg\"><\/a>\r\n<\/p>\r\n<p>\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/players.brightcove.net\/18122129001\/default_default\/index.html?videoId=5449981723001&#038;t=49m10s\">\r\nFanning clarified<\/a> that the subject was Yucca Mountain,\r\nsaid no fuel had been buried there, it had been under litigation for some time,\r\nand called on <a href=\"http:\/\/www.southerncompany.com\/our-companies\/southern-nuclear\/leadership.html\">Steve Kuczynski, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer of Southern Nuclear<\/a>, to explain.\r\n<p>\r\nKuczynski said no more funds had been collected in several years\r\ndue to the litigation, and they were hopeful that with a new administration\r\nsomething might happen.\r\nFanning added there were other potential sites, including in Texas.\r\n<p style=\"text-align:center;font-size:80%\">\r\n<a title=\"No Yucca Mountain funds collected in several years --Steve Kuczynski, CEO, Southern Nuclear\" href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/?attachment_id=18612\">\r\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none\" id=\"18614\" width=\"600\" height=\"603\" alt=\"No Yucca Mountain funds collected in several years --Steve Kuczynski, CEO, Southern Nuclear\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/3a7eec631fd703561aa3f36cfe7e0367.jpg\"><\/a>\r\n<\/p>\r\n<p>\r\nTenny further asked about lawyer&#8217;s fees at Plant Vogtle.\r\n<p>\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/players.brightcove.net\/18122129001\/default_default\/index.html?videoId=5449981723001&#038;t=50m20s\">\r\nFanning said<\/a>\r\nit was a big number, he didn&#8217;t know how much, but it was money well spent compared to the amounts at stake in capital cost and financing cost 45.7% of $15 billion,\r\n&#8220;spending money on good legal help was a smart thing to do&#8221;.\r\n<p>\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/players.brightcove.net\/18122129001\/default_default\/index.html?videoId=5449981723001&#038;t=51m15s\">\r\nTenny wanted to know<\/a> if the new units at Vogtle would be completed by 2020.\r\n<p>\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/players.brightcove.net\/18122129001\/default_default\/index.html?videoId=5449981723001&#038;t=51m19s\">\r\nFanning reiterated<\/a> that <a name=\"evaluating\" href=\"#evaluating\">they were evaluating<\/a> that and they hoped to\r\nknow by August.\r\n<H4><a name=\"wrapup\" href=\"#wrapup\">Everybody&#8217;s opinion matters &mdash;Tom Fanning<\/a><\/H4>\r\n<p>\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/players.brightcove.net\/18122129001\/default_default\/index.html?videoId=5449981723001&#038;t=51m48s\">\r\nFanning wrapped up<\/a>\r\nby saying they tried to be good listeners and to move forward for the greater good.\r\n<p style=\"text-align:center;font-size:80%\">\r\n<a title=\"Everybodys opinion matters --Tom Fanning\" href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/?attachment_id=18615\">\r\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none\" id=\"18617\" width=\"600\" height=\"315\" alt=\"Everybodys opinion matters --Tom Fanning\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/439823ad14a908b57b1cd045860c95bf.jpg\"><\/a>\r\n<\/p>\r\n<H4>Acknowledgments<\/H4>\r\n<p>\r\nAs always, I praise Tom Fanning for being a class A CEO and for hosting a\r\nvery civil, congenial, and informative stockholder meeting.\r\nThanks to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/ronny-just-ba33479\">Ronny Just<\/a>,\r\nGovernmental Relations Manager, Georgia Power,\r\nto Paul Bowers, president and CEO, Georgia Power, and to other SO and Georgia Power executives\r\nwho were most hospitable as always.\r\n<p>\r\nI thank the communications director who came up to me afterwards,\r\nwhose name I unfortunately did not get,\r\nwho seems to have implemented my suggestion to enable linking directly\r\nto specific times in the videos.\r\nPlus the meeting video is broken up into <a href=\"http:\/\/investor.southerncompany.com\/information-for-investors\/investor-information\/webcasts-and-presentations\/default.aspx\">four major parts<\/a>,\r\nwhich greatly simplifies finding things in it.\r\nNow if we can also have transcripts again&#8230;.\r\nAlso thanks for putting me on the cover of your video:\r\n<p style=\"text-align:center;font-size:80%\">\r\n<a title=\"Video cover picture: John S. Quarterman\" href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/?attachment_id=18519\">\r\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none\" id=\"18521\" width=\"600\" height=\"324\" alt=\"Video cover picture: John S. Quarterman\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/ebb9fbf5a9a6a188bc3a3b43eaed4f2a.jpg\"><\/a>\r\n<\/p>\r\n<p>\r\nThanks to\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.aglresources.com\/about\/bios_Evans.aspx\">\r\nAndrew W. Evans<\/a>,\r\nChairman of the Board, President and Chief Executive Officer,\r\nSouthern Company Gas, for clarifying his position on Pivotal LNG,\r\nwhich is that it&#8217;s not for export, it&#8217;s for fueling ships,\r\nand Pivotal is building an liquefaction plant in Jacksonville\r\nso as to avoid the need for sending LNG there by truck.\r\nAlso he says LNG in trucks won&#8217;t explode.\r\nMy opinion on that differs, and I will blog more later on that with evidence,\r\nbut thanks for the communication.\r\n<p>\r\nAlso, Drew Evans, or &#8220;President Hiss&#8221; as I&#8217;m told he&#8217;s now called,\r\nsaid he would follow up about the hissing sound. I look forward to that.\r\n<p>\r\nAs ever thanks to Sierra Club for having people there asking great questions\r\n(including at least one in a previous part of the meeting).\r\nI am a member of Sierra Club, but I was not there to speak for Sierra Club.\r\nI spoke for myself, for <a href=\"http:\/\/www.okraparadisefarms.com\/\">Okra Paradise Farms<\/a>, and from when I pulled out the\r\nbumper sticker also as <a href=\"http:\/\/www.wwals.net\">Suwannee Riverkeeper for WWALS Watershed Coalition<\/a>.\r\n<p>\r\nGrateful thanks to the stockholders who so far as I know are <em>not<\/em>\r\nassociated with Sierra Club for asking questions such as\r\n<a href=\"#dead-horse\">\r\nis SO chasing a dead nuclear horse<\/a>\r\nand is it wise to\r\n<a href=\"#eggs\">put all our eggs in the natural gas basket<\/a>.\r\n<p>\r\nSouthern Company stockholder meetings: more fun than you can have without paying for it!\r\nOh, wait, I did, when I bought that stock&#8230;.\r\n<p>\r\n -jsq\r\n<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"text-align:center;font-style:italic\">Investigative reporting costs money, for open records requests, copying, web hosting, gasoline, and cameras, and with sufficient funds we can pay students to do further research.  You can <a href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/donate\">donate to LAKE today<\/a>!<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"text-align:center;font-size:80%\">\r\n<a title=\"Oh, Solar Panels! Oh, heck yeah! --Tom Fanning\" href=\"http:\/\/players.brightcove.net\/18122129001\/default_default\/index.html?videoId=5449981723001&#038;t=35s\">\r\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none\" id=\"18722\" width=\"600\" height=\"542\" alt=\"Oh, Solar Panels! Oh, heck yeah! --Tom Fanning\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/be1704b794d5beb60ed8ce9df16d138c.jpg\"><\/a>\r\n<br><a href=\"#yeah\">&#8220;Oh, solar panels! 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