{"id":13852,"date":"2015-08-05T12:59:26","date_gmt":"2015-08-05T16:59:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/?p=13852"},"modified":"2015-08-05T13:14:27","modified_gmt":"2015-08-05T17:14:27","slug":"videos-rural-revaluation-meeting-at-farm-bureau-2015-08-04","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/2015\/08\/videos-rural-revaluation-meeting-at-farm-bureau-2015-08-04.html","title":{"rendered":"Videos: Rural revaluation meeting at Farm Bureau 2015-08-04"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/playlist?list=PLshUv86fYkiFn1e8xgzIdy-QGy_Bkt6ld\"><br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" style=\"float:right;border:none;\" src=\"https:\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/6dgAZNCp_1s\/mqdefault.jpg\"><\/a><br \/>\nSee for yourself the Tax Assessor response to local landowners, in these<br \/>\nLAKE videos of<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/2015\/08\/rural-revaluation-meeting-at-farm-bureau-2015-08-04.html\"><br \/>\nlast night&#8217;s meeting<\/a> at Farm Bureau.<br \/>\nDo you think there&#8217;s a problem?<br \/>\nIf so, what do you think we should do to fix it?<\/p>\n<p>\nThe attendees appointed Gretchen to take notes. Here are her notes,<br \/>\nfollowed by the videos.<\/p>\n<blockquote style=\"font-size:100%\">\n<p style=\"float:right;width:50%;font-weight:bold;font-size:120%\">\nAccessibility is not about access, it&#8217;s about geographic location&#8230;. That was done by one of our appraisers on staff. &mdash;Chief Appraiser Silas Hrobar\n<\/p>\n<p>\nRural and commercial land owners got surprises in the mail in July<br \/>\nwhen they received the updated assessments of their properties.<br \/>\nLowndes County Assessors engaged a contractor last year to help with<br \/>\nthe reassessments of approximately 10,000 properties. Rural<br \/>\nproperties were categorized as small (under 20 acres) and large<br \/>\n(over 20 acres) but complaints were the same, inconsistent and<br \/>\nconfusing application of criteria.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nOn Tuesday evening, Farm Bureau hosted<!--more--><\/p>\n<p> an open meeting with Chief<br \/>\nAppraiser Silas Hrobar and Tax Assessor Mike Hill (all the assessors<br \/>\nwere invited but apparently the County Attorney Walter Elliot said<br \/>\nthat two made a quorum so only one of them could go, even though<br \/>\nSenator Ellis Black pointed out that they weren&#8217;t actually<br \/>\nconducting any business) to discuss the perceived problems.\n<\/p>\n<p style=\"float:right;width:50%;font-size:120%;font-weight:bold\">\nTax Assessor Mike Hill said that paving roads drives development.<\/p>\n<p>\nAfter having to move to a larger room due to twice as many people as<br \/>\nexpected, the meeting began with Assessor Hill explaining how<br \/>\nevaluations are done in subdivisions, using examples about comparing<br \/>\nhouses.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nThose gathered weren&#8217;t interested in subdivisions or house values,<br \/>\nthey are farmers and larger land owners who saw their raw land<br \/>\nproperty assessments increase by 100-400%. Hill acknowledged that<br \/>\nhis agenda was different from theirs.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nAt one point Hrobar noted that his working life wasn&#8217;t large rural<br \/>\ntracts. A landowner pointed out that for most in the room their life<br \/>\nis large rural tracts.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nAppraiser Hrobar distributed the criteria used for both small and<br \/>\nlarge tracts, the comparable sales and other factors considered in<br \/>\nthe re-evaluation.<br \/>\nMike Hill said that paving roads drives development.<br \/>\nSilas Hrobar said that staff worked with the<br \/>\nconsultants to define areas of similarities but didn&#8217;t address what<br \/>\nthose area were or how the areas were determined. One of the<br \/>\ncriteria on in the packet was wetlands and flooding, yet on the map<br \/>\ndistributed the Withlacoochee River in North Central Lowndes isn&#8217;t<br \/>\neven visible and it floods regularly.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nHrobar did say that even though &#8220;road frontage&#8221; was mentioned five<br \/>\ntimes on<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/govt\/loco\/2015-07-14--tax-assessors\/SCAN1599.html\"><br \/>\na page about &#8220;Accessibility Delineations&#8221;<\/a> that<br \/>\naccessibility didn&#8217;t really mean proximity to roads and road<br \/>\nfrontage only applied after staff decided on geographical areas of<br \/>\nsimilarity. <strong>He confirmed that it was staff and not the consultant<br \/>\nwho made such decisions.<\/strong>\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<a title=\"Cat Creek Accessibility Codes, in Rural land re-evaluation, by Tax Assessors, 14 July 2015\" href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/govt\/loco\/2015-07-14--tax-assessors\/SCAN1601.html\"><br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none;float:right\" alt=\"300x188 Cat Creek Accessibility Codes, in Rural land re-evaluation, by Tax Assessors, 14 July 2015\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/08\/eee4aea4d9e05e0a1f293823005f8812.jpg\"><\/a><br \/>\nRegarding why land on both sides of Cat Creek Road at the north end<br \/>\nof the county was valued lower than land on Hambrick Road, he had no<br \/>\nexplanation, nor did Hill.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nRegarding why rivers, swamps, and even a paper mill weren&#8217;t<br \/>\nmentioned at all in the revaluation criteria, Hill and Hrobar kept<br \/>\ninsisting that the entire county had to be treated uniformly, as a<br \/>\nsingle &#8220;subdivision&#8221;.\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<a title=\"Cat Creek Comparables, in Rural land re-evaluation, by Tax Assessors, 14 July 2015\" href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/govt\/loco\/2015-07-14--tax-assessors\/SCAN1600.html\"><br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none;float:right\" alt=\"300x264 Cat Creek Comparables, in Rural land re-evaluation, by Tax Assessors, 14 July 2015\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/08\/dd31513e3a8cca26bac0878587c9786a.jpg\"><\/a><br \/>\nAsked why the Comprehensive Plan wasn&#8217;t taken into account, Hill<br \/>\nseemed offended, and insisted that the whole county had to be<br \/>\ntreated uniformly according to market value. He did say there was a<br \/>\nway to indicate agricultural use, which was conservation use<br \/>\ndesignation. Hrobar proceeded to explain that at some length. Yet<br \/>\nwhen asked why highest valuation was placed on areas with much land<br \/>\nin conservation use, he said that was due to areas of similarity.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nAsked why several tracts purchased by Bill Gates east of Lake Park<br \/>\non main roads did not have the highest valuation, Hill and Hrobar&#8217;s<br \/>\nonly answer was that those tracts weren&#8217;t in an accessible area, by<br \/>\nwhich they apparently meant an area picked by staff as favored for<br \/>\nhigh valuation.\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<a title=\"Lake Park Accessibility Codes, in Rural land re-evaluation, by Tax Assessors, 14 July 2015\" href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/govt\/loco\/2015-07-14--tax-assessors\/SCAN1601.html\"><br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none;float:right\" alt=\"300x184 Lake Park Accessibility Codes, in Rural land re-evaluation, by Tax Assessors, 14 July 2015\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/08\/eeeb6ed33edea1f10987ffae534b8318.jpg\"><\/a><br \/>\nQuestions were raised as to why the &#8220;highest value&#8221; lands were in<br \/>\nthe north part of the county especially when US41S is four lanes<br \/>\nfrom Valdosta to Lake Park and there are many large tracts there,<br \/>\nincluding one used as a benchmark. Jerry Arnold pointed out that<br \/>\nassessed per acre values on his unpaved road varied widely and he<br \/>\nwondered why. Both Hill and Hrobar said that any questions would<br \/>\nhave to be answered on a per landholder basis at the Tax Assessor<br \/>\nOffice.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nDespite multiple landowners pointing out that the problems were<br \/>\n&#8220;with the system&#8221; or &#8220;general&#8221;, Hill and Hrobar kept insisting that<br \/>\neach landowner had to file an individual appeal.\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<a title=\"Lake Park Comparables, in Rural land re-evaluation, by Tax Assessors, 14 July 2015\" href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/govt\/loco\/2015-07-14--tax-assessors\/SCAN1600.html\"><br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none;float:right\" alt=\"300x179 Lake Park Comparables, in Rural land re-evaluation, by Tax Assessors, 14 July 2015\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/08\/1a523969c845dc02f4ecca983381c5821.jpg\"><\/a><br \/>\nCounty Chairman Bill Slaughter remarked that the county had to have<br \/>\nrevenue to operate on its budget, and if not enough people agreed on<br \/>\nthe evaluations in time, the county might have to use the previous<br \/>\nyear&#8217;s evaluations. He also acknowledged that he thus had incentive<br \/>\nto find a solution to these problems.\n<\/p>\n<p>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/lowndescountytax.com\/default.aspx\"><br \/>\nTax Commissioner Felicia Williams<\/a> had a few comments about how taxes<br \/>\nwere computed from millage and appraisals. Landowners mentioned<br \/>\nseveral times that she and her office had had nothing to do with the<br \/>\nrural land revaluation, which was entirely done by the Tax<br \/>\nAppraisers&#8217; office.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nMost in attendance hold their land in conservation use which has a<br \/>\nprescribed tax value by the State of Georgia and increases at a rate<br \/>\nof 3% per year so they didn&#8217;t actually see a proposed increase in<br \/>\ntaxes but should the conservation use be breached they could be<br \/>\nresponsible for thousands of dollars of taxes given these new<br \/>\nassessments.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nYet if their neighbors&#8217; land is not in conservation use, higher<br \/>\nvaluation adds incentives for the neighbors to sell or subdivide,<br \/>\nwhich in turn puts pressure on the landowners with conservation use<br \/>\nas they become surrounded by developed property. Hill and Hrobar had<br \/>\nno rebuttal to this point.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nBoth Hill and Hrobar encouraged any property holder with a question<br \/>\nabout assessment to contact the assessors office for clarification<br \/>\nand to file an appeal with the Board of Equalization. The deadline<br \/>\nto file an appeal is August 10, 2015.\n<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/govt\/loco\/2015-07-14--tax-assessors\/SCAN1601.html\"><br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" style=\"float:right;border:none\" src=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/govt\/loco\/2015-07-14--tax-assessors\/small\/SCAN1601.jpg\"><\/a><br \/>\nBoth Black and Hill said they had previously served on the Board of<br \/>\nEqualization. When asked whether the BoE could address the systemic<br \/>\nand general issues raised, they said no: only specific parcels.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nWhen someone suggested an appeal beyond the BoE might be necessary,<br \/>\nHill sarcastically wished everyone luck with that.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nThe only apparent route to fixing these general problems seems to be<br \/>\nthrough the Tax Assessors next year, yet the only Tax Assessors<br \/>\npresent expressed little interest in doing so, and the only staff<br \/>\npresent kept reiterating that each landowner had to deal with their<br \/>\nown case separately.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nIn any case, the first step is to appeal by the August 10, 2015<br \/>\ndeadline.\n<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/98706376@N00\/8464159160\/sizes\/o\/\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"float:right;border:none\" src=\"https:\/\/farm9.staticflickr.com\/8392\/8464159160_ffda82ff85_n.jpg\"><\/a><br \/>\n<strong>Who&#8217;s Who:<\/strong><br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/2015\/07\/who-are-the-lowndes-county-tax-assessors.html\"><br \/>\nLowndes County Tax Assessors<\/a>: W.G. Walker, Mike Hill, and Leroy Butler Jr., and staff: Silas Hrobar, Chief Appraiser.<br \/>\nThe<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/2015\/07\/who-is-on-the-lowndes-county-board-of-equalization.html\">Board of Equalization<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>\n<strong>Compare:<\/strong> the Comprehensive Plan to this revaluation <a href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/govt\/loco\/2015-07-14--tax-assessors\/\">here<\/a> (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/govt\/loco\/2015-07-14--tax-assessors\/rural-revaluation-shrunk.pdf\">PDF<\/a>). Are <a href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/2015\/07\/rural-tax-revaluation-bill-gates-and-subdivisions-more-important-than-agriculture-and-public-transportation.html\">Bill Gates and subdivisions really more important than agriculture<\/a><br \/>\nor rivers or public transportation?<\/p>\n<p>\n<strong>Sprawl:<\/strong><br \/>\nIs that what we want?<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.l-a-k-e.org\/blog\/2010\/09\/sprawl-to-ruin-or-dense-with-green-space-for-quality-of-life.html\">sprawling residential growth is a certain ticket to fiscal ruin (Or at least big tax increases)<\/a>.<br \/>\nPDF of the report by UGA Prof. Jeffrey H. Dorfman Lowndes County paid for in 2007,<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/loco.quarterman.org\/docs\/Lowndes-Report-Final.pdf\"><br \/>\nThe Local Government Fiscal Impacts of Land Use in<br \/>\nLowndes County<\/a>.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nHere&#8217;s<br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/playlist?list=PLshUv86fYkiFn1e8xgzIdy-QGy_Bkt6ld\"><br \/>\na video playlist:<\/a>\n<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align:center;font-size:80%\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/videoseries?list=PLshUv86fYkiFn1e8xgzIdy-QGy_Bkt6ld\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><br \/>\n<br \/>\nVideos: Rural revaluation meeting at Farm Bureau 2015-08-04<br \/>\n<br \/>\nVideo by Gretchen Quarterman for Lowndes Area Knowledge Exchange (LAKE),<br \/>\n<br \/>\nValdosta, Lowndes County, Georgia.\n<\/p>\n<p>\n -jsq<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>See for yourself the Tax Assessor response to local landowners, in these LAKE videos of last night&#8217;s meeting at Farm Bureau. Do you think there&#8217;s a problem? If so, what do you think we should do to fix it? The attendees appointed Gretchen to take notes. Here are her notes, followed by the videos. 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